Jean-Pierre and Luc Dardennes find a way to turn relatable
human frailty and emotion into art. They have done so again with their stunning
“Two Days, One Night,” a film that the critics of this site have already deemed
one of the best of 2014. It opens on Christmas Eve for an Oscar-qualifying run
(and there’s no justice at AMPAS if star Marion Cotillard doesn’t land a Best
Actress nomination) before expanding wider next year. It’s a remarkable film
about a woman forced to ask her co-workers to forego a bonus in order for her
to keep her job. Her employer can’t pay both her salary and the bonuses of her
co-workers. Could you do it? Could you ask people, many of them your friends,
to give up money they need for you? And would you yourself give up the money to
maintain workplace solidarity? It’s a phenomenal drama carried by what could be
Cotillard’s best performance to date. I sat down with the film’s directors in
Toronto a few months back, and they’re, even through a translator, just as
funny, clever and engaging as you’d expect them to be.
How important is a
lack of moral or any other kind of judgment on the part of the audience in
regard to the protagonist in your films?
JEAN-PIERRE DARDENNE: At the beginning, what we want is to
show the public Sandra’s perspective. When she goes out to speak to each one of
the co-workers, she’s going to them from a place of equality. The boss is not
acting from a positive position—putting one against the other. Sandra is not
judging. She understands. She comes from a place of solidarity. When she says
she understands their decision, she means it. She’s really meaning it. She can
put herself in the other person’s position.
That’s what we look to do in our movies. We’re not judging.
We’re not putting the good guys against the bad guys. We’re showing how complex
it is to make such a decision.
LUC DARDENNE: There’s a scene with one of the co-workers
after the hospital in which she comes to him and he opens the door and says “I
know, I should help you, but I can’t. At the same time, I really wish that you
get the votes that you need.” It’s really going against the natural decision,
if you will. You are deciding to keep your job. You need that money. You need
the bonus.
With our camera, what we try to show is the same level of
importance that we give to Sandra, we give to her co-workers. We’re not taking
the perspective of “Poor Sandra.” On the contrary. We’re trying to understand
and put ourselves in the place of someone having to make a very difficult
decision.
It’s a decision that’s
amplified by the physicality of Marion’s performance in that she’s physically
weakened, especially often in contrast to her healthier co-workers. Can you
speak a little about the importance of that physicality to the character and
the film’s arc?
JD: It is interesting to talk about physicality but also
difficult in terms of this film. We really wanted to work with Marion
Cotillard. She’s an actress we really like. We like her work. We felt she would
be a good choice for Sandra. At the same time, we chose her because of her vulnerability.
At the same time, we didn’t want to exaggerate. We didn’t want to make it a
play on depression, or a situation because of her illness. We didn’t want to
over-play that aspect.
At the same time, we can’t talk about the physicality
without talking about costume—we specifically chose a pink shirt for her to
wear, and that goes against the state if you will, the depression. We also
chose a pair of shoes for which you can hear her walk. She has a presence. We
could have chosen another pair of shoes that was more silent. She’s there. She’s
alive. She’s going for it. Her presence is strong.
LD: The moments where you feel her absence, if you will, is
with the camerawork. You see her appearing in the image and she’s there but in
her face it’s like she’s not. She’s gone. She’s there, but she isn’t.
It’s not all the time that that’s the case. It’s little
moments. All these little moments added together lead to…
It seems to me to be
a film in which the silence is as important as the dialogue—the moments where
she’s in her own head or heart.
LD: Yes. Sure.
What does this film
say about the working class or economic conditions that it might not have said
ten or twenty years ago?
LD: It’s a little different. Ten years ago, the working
class wasn’t as weakened as it is now. Nowadays, what happens is that a lot of
people are in debt because their salary just goes to pay their debt. To sustain
the house, to sustain the car. It’s the debt that is the social insecurity that
people are living in right now. It makes it very difficult for them to have
solidarity [as a working class]. A thousand or two thousand Euros can be really
needed. To go on strike [is too difficult].
That’s why solidarity, in a way, has become such a moral
decision. There were social structures and governmental structures that were
supposed to allow and give that solidarity. A lot of health care. Organizations
that insure solidarity. But it’s becoming more and more of a moral decision.
How does casting
Marion change the film from your traditional process or does it?
JD: Working with Marion, she brought some things to the
character, but it’s organic. We don’t start by saying “Sandra is like this,
this and this” and Marion doesn’t arrive saying “Well, I’m going to play Sandra
like this.” Through six weeks of rehearsing, the way we rehearse, it’s more a
process of discovering who this character will be. Oftentimes, it’s more taking
something away, making it more simple. We have a script that is determined, but
we don’t have a fixed idea. It’s like working with clay. You know you’re going
to make figures with this clay, but it’s not exact. It’s working with it that
the true character will be discovered. We’ll arrive to this character. It is
like bringing to life people that don’t exist. We start this process, but, in
the process, is what makes it complete.
Has it been the same
process on every film?
JD: Yes.
Was the process here
different at all?
JD: It’s not exactly all the same, but it’s the same process
we work all the time.
Who wins fights
between the two of you?
LD: (Laughs). We do
everything together. We do the casting together. We do all the work together.
When we’re filming, we each have a screen that the other one can see. During
the process of writing, I’ll write it. During that time, we don’t see each
other too often but will communicate via telephone. And I’ll communicate and
have discussion and modifications.
Are there any artists
or writers or filmmakers that inspired this film in particular or your work in
general?
JD: For “La Promesse,” it was Toni Morrison. For “The Kid
with a Bike,” it was a Beethoven concerto. There are films we saw and saw
again. Rossellini. We have some invisible rules. It’s difficult to say.
LD: For us, we don’t make too many movies. We make a movie
every three years. We need that time to re-nourish ourselves. TO talk to other
people. To talk to each other. The time is to renew ourselves and feed
ourselves.
JD: For this film, it was Daewoo, a character in a novel by
Francois Bon. It’s about a strike in France. The leader of the strike committed
suicide. It’s very strange because she was, after the strike, she was alone.
LD: It’s based on true facts but the way the novel is
written is more of a reconstruction. The character will go and talk to other
people about this lost life. It’s more similar to “Citizen Kane,” a journalist
trying to recreate a life.
Do you know what’s
next?
JD: (Laughs). No, no. Maybe about a young man talking to two
directors in Toronto… (Laughs).
